Village Voice - Pink: Similiar to the Early Clash?

obiwankobe · Post by **obiwankobe** » Thu May 04, 2006 2:04 pm

Demo'ing Down
Former teen heroine matures by offering crisis counseling to 10-year-olds
by Jon Dolan
April 28th, 2006 12:03 PM

Not unlike the early Clash?

Pink
Not Dead Yet
LaFace

The rare teenpop tour de force that defines itself by what it can't figure out rather than what it assumes you want it to tell you, Pink's anti-Paris, anti-Bush, anti-teenpop manifesto was TV filler before it had time to tank-or-not. Matt Lauer even declared her a pop star like none we've ever seen. The first part is true only in a loose sense. But an American Morning panel of young girls declaring Not Dead Yet both comforting and instructive undercuts the idea that stardom is any measure of success anyway. Naturally, most media enthusiasm for the anti-objectification single "Stupid Girls" quickly devolves into more proof that the greatest weapon in the war against blonde women is other blonde women. Nicer people have sussed out the humanity.

In Rolling Stone, Barry Walters distinguishes the album as "ambitious" and indeed, Pink sets out to do nothing less than redefine a moment in the human life cycle—that last emotional nanosecond in the scary descent from idealized American subject-citizen (fetus) to ideal American object–cash crop (self-conscious consumer). "Loud Guitar" presets, dance-punk basslines, and grown 'n' conscious folk ballads signify maturation, but Pink's goal is to deke out the music she couldn't transcend by demo-shifting down instead of growing up. For a couple hundred thousand or so 10-year-olds soon to enter hell, this could be The Clash. Or at least a first soul-moistening bath in the aesthetic flop sweat of good intentions gone screwy.

Not unlike like the early Clash, Pink's wisdom, such as it is, barrels forth from a Nietzschean power-surge of inspired confusion. Beyond "Stupid Girls," which creates a positive by listing predictive negatives (hey, 10-year-olds, don't get boob jobs!), it's hard to discern what ethical certainty one would divine from a WWPD candy bracelet. Pink would: tell you (along with her "13-year-old self") that all you ever need is you (plus maybe a timbale), get drunk and convince herself she's famous, call her "friend" Christina an idiot, attack negative body imaging like a junior high health teacher then go and put her ass crack on the back of her record, be craven, strong, pathetic, annoying, and also maybe a lesbian. This goes beyond recapping the "complicated" image she rode in on. She stares into the abyss and the abyss says, "Tear down the patriarchy, sort of, but definitely lay off the simple carbs. And stop staring into me! I'm the abyss!" This sense of all-too-human auto-bumfuzzlement is emboldened by
Not Dead Yet's stunningly ass-backward theory of how to make a viable pop album in our unfortunate millennium, a stylistic dyslexia so grandiose it explodes traditional conceptions of "quality" altogether.

The most sensible track is e-mailed in from Max Martin, a man so proud he'll go to the A-list stuff even when your record might fall in the well. Martin's "U & Ur Hand" is a feminist "Get the Party Started," redone by Quiet Riot if they were Smurfs. "Who Knew" is Pink's version of Kelly Clarkson doing Karen O, or Gwen if she got a DUI in Silver Lake. "Long Way to Happy" is fuzz-toned folk-rock with Wu-tinkle piano bursting into self-help Lilith-metal. Ballad time comes early, weird, and like a hurricane. Linda Perry–esque piano shamestorm? Check. Advice letter to the president penned with the Indigo Girls where Pink for some reason assumes Laura Bush has a soul? It would appear so. Advice letter to her seventh-grade self? Woodstock-era how-many-roads folk song written by her Vietnam vet father? Yes. Yes. As the man on the Titanic said as he strapped on his galoshes, it really is all quite something. But the last one is a truly special moment in America's long tortured history of trying not to be retarded. Somewhere, someday—maybe today—a wee troubled tween will throw down that Blackberry and wander forth from her bedroom cage asking: "Daddy, what's Vietnam?" If we only we knew, Virginia, if only we knew.

shloemoe · Post by **shloemoe** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:03 pm

I had positive feelings about the "pink" image till all the press mention of late started up....now I hit the pink ignore button.

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:25 pm

Do you care about the press?Fuck emmmmm..they are liars

You either like pink or ya don't...

LATaurus · Post by **LATaurus** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:56 pm

really, shloe, you don't seem the type to let media exposure determine what you like and don't like....

shloemoe · Post by **shloemoe** » Thu May 04, 2006 4:05 pm

it was what she was like...I still like "dont let me get me" , "get this party"

HHmmm....media does get to me.....there's no escape...let me follow
you around 12 hours a day and just say the word "weed" every five minutes....It could not but have an effect on your attitude towards
"420" you'd be getting a new avitar.

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Thu May 04, 2006 4:45 pm

fuck mannnn.....I had people follow my backyard life for a fuckin year...they also took pics of us too....and I think they recorded my stage of rage riot insanity rants...I loved it...now they're gone..all the attention went away

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Thu May 04, 2006 4:50 pm

shit.....it was fun being nuts for those cunts...I deserve an Oscar for that act. Wish I knew what they wanted but I'll never know...I want them Americans to come back dammit!

shloemoe · Post by **shloemoe** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:01 pm

funny you should mention that rot...had a similar experience meself.
glad you could laugh it off....me?....almost really hurt some people.
still aint quite gotten over it.....some people really suck!....oh well
they say every dog has his day.....have to see.

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:09 pm

This dog will never have his day cuz I'll never know the why I was being watched.

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:11 pm

what was going on with you shloe?did people watch you too?

shloemoe · Post by **shloemoe** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:37 pm

speedfreeks dude....some peoples minds race off on that stuff and it's all about hurting people for entertainment....they're usually small peep
who have to spread the pain......never was my bag......MAN!...though
I did get pretty hurt!....absorbed it I guess....but aint got no love fer head game playa's.....is that you Rot?

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:45 pm

I am only true to people that take the time to get to know the real me.....that take the time in my face and be true themselves.I game the gamers...and I know when I'm being headgamed.

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:47 pm

shloemoe wrote:speedfreeks dude....some peoples minds race off on that stuff and it's all about hurting people for entertainment....they're usually small peep
who have to spread the pain......never was my bag......MAN!...though
I did get pretty hurt!....absorbed it I guess....but aint got no love fer head game playa's.....is that you Rot?

drugs are for dumbcunts...I ain't into that shit nor into hurting people for entertainment.Thats fucked.....sorry you got hurt...

shloemoe · Post by **shloemoe** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:58 pm

well thanx for the sympathy...I've seen what money 'n' drugs can buy.
shloemoe has vulnerabilities....I can tell ya about the efforts 'o'
shitheads that would make you regard me a NUT-CASE...and that's
how they where designed.....Brothers...sisters....Hell bent on compliance!
...and entertainment....dont try to figure it out rot...it's not about you
....wierd comments from me are for the people I used to love....who
STILL follow.....

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Thu May 04, 2006 6:03 pm

I follow by my own leadership....I follow by good advice from proud people and not nut-encased squirrel fodder...I know what your talk is about,didn't take much to figure it out.

shloemoe · Post by **shloemoe** » Thu May 04, 2006 8:57 pm

shloemoe wrote:it was what she was like...I still like "dont let me get me" , "get this party"

HHmmm....media does get to me.....there's no escape...let me follow
you around 12 hours a day and just say the word "weed" every five minutes....It could not but have an effect on your attitude towards
"420" you'd be getting a new avitar.

oh yeah I forgot to say ....Ah-hahahahahaha!.....lets hear your denial!

assholitis · Post by **assholitis** » Thu May 04, 2006 11:23 pm

Comparing Pink to the Clash is worse than comparing The Clash to terrorist lyrics when that guy got detained from an airplane for singing along to London Calling in a taxi cab.

shloemoe · Post by **shloemoe** » Fri May 05, 2006 12:07 am

oh yeah this started out about pink...and....and....you know that top article
wasn't really written plainly....call me illiterate.. but i dint even get the
gest of it.....I like pink, but when you put "cool" in a package....it aint cool
no mo!......ah foget about it.

gidgetgoestohell · Post by **gidgetgoestohell** » Fri May 05, 2006 8:49 am

Shloe....it left me scratching my head as well....I suppose I should have broke out the deToader ring.....

shloemoe · Post by **shloemoe** » Fri May 05, 2006 8:57 am

"weed"......."weed"......."weed".......

LATaurus · Post by **LATaurus** » Fri May 05, 2006 9:52 am

shloemoe wrote:"weed"......."weed"......."weed".......

stop following me dammit!

Brad-Cow-Disease · Post by **Brad-Cow-Disease** » Fri May 05, 2006 4:08 pm

Rotters Stage of Rage is amazing

Brad-Cow-Disease · Post by **Brad-Cow-Disease** » Fri May 05, 2006 4:09 pm

no weed required

Brad-Cow-Disease · Post by **Brad-Cow-Disease** » Fri May 05, 2006 4:10 pm

shloemoe wrote:I had positive feelings about the "pink" image till all the press mention of late started up....now I hit the pink ignore button.

Haha!Shloe is scared of the "pink"He licks the stink but can't put it in;he has sores on his dink

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Sat May 06, 2006 4:29 am

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Sat May 06, 2006 4:30 am

Brad-Cow-Disease wrote:Rotters Stage of Rage is amazing

Yeah...its pretty fucked up!

midgetthemidget · Post by **midgetthemidget** » Sun May 07, 2006 8:00 am

rotter wrote:Do you care about the press?Fuck emmmmm..they are liars You either like pink or ya don't...

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:02 pm

Eat at Pinks!

DIsPervertNurse · Post by **DIsPervertNurse** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:09 pm

rotter wrote:This dog will never have his day cuz I'll never know the why I was being watched.

So you don't know why you were being watched??

Did you do something then??

DIsPervertNurse · Post by **DIsPervertNurse** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:11 pm

Brad-Cow-Disease wrote:Rotters Stage of Rage is amazing

What exactly is the Stage of Rage??

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:32 pm

DIsPervertNurse wrote:
rotter wrote:This dog will never have his day cuz I'll never know the why I was being watched.
So you don't know why you were being watched?? Did you do something then??

I did nothing...I don't know why I was being watched.Funniest thing was they were Americans......odd...

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:36 pm

DIsPervertNurse wrote:
Brad-Cow-Disease wrote:Rotters Stage of Rage is amazing
What exactly is the Stage of Rage??

The Stage of Rage is my backyard ranting and poetry I preformed for the "watchers" ...the infamous Americans that liked to watch me in 2004.I got drunk...I ranted.....there was insanity...and screaming,dancing....and pissing galore.

I had an audience so I acted out...I loved the attention.They probably thought me a nutjob

It was all fake. Except for the drunkins and piss..... :lol:The Stage of Rage is now closed...the audience left so whats the use...

DIsPervertNurse · Post by **DIsPervertNurse** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:38 pm

LMAO....well then....that is a bit strange now isn't it then!

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:39 pm

I AM STRANGE...

DIsPervertNurse · Post by **DIsPervertNurse** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:40 pm

Yes, i see that! That's what I like about ya though! You are what you are, at least it seems so on here!

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:43 pm

I exagerate on here...I don't go 'round tellin women what great cunts they have and all that or brag about my cock constant...but pretty much the rest is me...I am a nice guy you know

DIsPervertNurse · Post by **DIsPervertNurse** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:44 pm

LMAO....you fucking kill me!

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:53 pm

do you hork pepsi outta your nose?

DIsPervertNurse · Post by **DIsPervertNurse** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:55 pm

LMAO...hell no....I don't drink Pepsi...yuck! Coke my dear...coke!

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:58 pm

ahhh...Coke is bestest...especially wif rum

DIsPervertNurse · Post by **DIsPervertNurse** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:59 pm

And a splash of lemon...Le Cubra Libra! But that is really the only drink I drink when I do drink...which is VERY RARE!

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Sun May 07, 2006 1:04 pm

yeah.....I don't drink much myself much except the occasional weekend relaxer...or a party or somethin...

DIsPervertNurse · Post by **DIsPervertNurse** » Sun May 07, 2006 1:07 pm

I never got into it at all. Never much cared for the way it made me feel...guess that's why I have never cared about trying pot or anything else like that. Just never was curious nor cared about it.

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Sun May 07, 2006 1:10 pm

I like drinks.....but thats as much as I want.Weed sucks..I hate how it makes me quiet and paranoid but I like the smell.I just say no to dope.....I'd rather have a beer.

assholitis · Post by **assholitis** » Sun May 07, 2006 6:13 pm

rotter wrote:do you hork pepsi outta your nose?

DIsPervertNurse wrote:LMAO...hell no....I don't drink Pepsi...yuck! Coke my dear...coke!

"Horking" coke through your nose takes on a whole new meaning.

DIsPervertNurse · Post by **DIsPervertNurse** » Sun May 07, 2006 6:22 pm

LMFAO....oh dear bog!

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:12 am

Fuuccccckkkkkk!Thats hilarious!

ChispaFilthyLucre · Post by **ChispaFilthyLucre** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:14 pm

yeahhhhhhhhh
I want a line too
hola Mr Shloemoe
hola Mr Rotter

ChispaFilthyLucre · Post by **ChispaFilthyLucre** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:24 pm

nobody is similar like CLASH!

ChispaFilthyLucre · Post by **ChispaFilthyLucre** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:24 pm

nobody is similar like CLASH!

shloemoe · Post by **shloemoe** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:25 pm

Ah Chispa....how ya been ol' pal?

ChispaFilthyLucre · Post by **ChispaFilthyLucre** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:33 pm

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thats fun to me to Know tu estas vivo
ohhhhhhhhh my stink inglish

shloemoe · Post by **shloemoe** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:53 pm

Oh no your English is mucho muey bueno now.

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Sat May 13, 2006 3:58 am

Hey Chispa....

ChispaFilthyLucre · Post by **ChispaFilthyLucre** » Sat May 13, 2006 4:12 am

Yeahhhhhh Rotter!
Im here
saludos

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Sat May 13, 2006 4:22 am

Glad you made it here,its fun at this place

Salllllludos!

chriswasanon · Post by **chriswasanon** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:54 pm

I agree with everything in this thread apart from Pink being cool and resembling early Clash

I wish Rotter had a tape of his "Stage of Rage." Do you have any pics of this performance Rotski?

rotter · Post by **rotter** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:43 pm

No...but my "fan" club does..I was recorded and photographed.Guess thats being almost infamous